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Dear Gagandeep Singh Bhatia,

I have read and enjoyed your essay. In this comment I will attempt to link some of your ideas to some of my own.

You state that:

"The relation between physics and human consciousness may never be fully answered (due to the fact that it is "all in the brain"), but understanding the limitations of brain as a thought machine will help realize the...

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Dear Gagandeep Singh Bhatia,

I have read and enjoyed your essay. In this comment I will attempt to link some of your ideas to some of my own.

You state that:

"The relation between physics and human consciousness may never be fully answered (due to the fact that it is "all in the brain"), but understanding the limitations of brain as a thought machine will help realize the ultimate possibilities in physics."

This is almost identical with my conclusions, although we reach this point by different paths.

You describe "human thought as a physical process, following the laws of this universe itself." and then attempt to analyze the relation between physics and mathematics.

You define: "A human thought is a signal exchanged and saved among neurons in the brain."

I agree with this, and go further to link this physical process to the logic circuitry of the brain, a physically real construction. I do *not* attribute "awareness" to this construction, but to a consciousness 'field' which has the properties, awareness plus volition. In this sense I also agree with you that:

"Whatever be the physiological and chemical processes, the human thought is bound to the nature of the universe."

The "thought" is the physical 'model' in the brain. Awareness of this thought is attributed to the essence of the consciousness field, which, in my essay is considered to be physically real, that is, capable of coupling to the brain processes. As you say: "it has to come down to a basic understanding in form of these brain signals. Humongous amount of experimental data is of no real use unless analyzed for results, and fit into a physical theory."

You then ask: "What is mathematics? A conventional answer is the study of numbers ergo of quantities, measurement, etc." and "The existence of mathematics is not a demand of nature but a need of a scientific mind."

You then look at representation and worry that "Hence 'the first number' cannot be defined absolutely, without defining 'the first operation' and vice-versa." but you then state that "One of the first scientific inventions of the primitive man was counting."

This is true, and, as a Computer Science Engineer, you recognize that one of the simplest constructions based on logic elements is a "counter". Logic and counters can be implemented as silicon, neural, and even protein circuitry. Additionally, there is much proof that many lifeforms and 'higher' animals have the ability to count (and compare).

Counting is not just biologically important, but the essence of Quantum Field Theory is the particle counter or number operator that counts particles by summing over annihilation and creation operations. This theoretical 'counting' should go hand in hand with the experimental counting of the measurement process, showing that both theory and experiment are based in counting. Elsewhere I have shown that, given measurement numbers, there exist pattern recognition principles that begin with clustering operations and then associate 'features' with clusters and so allow one, based on a group of measurement numbers, to create a feature 'map' or feature vector that represents the system being measured. This, in a nutshell, is the reason that mathematics is so applicable to physics, and so well suited to the brain. And this is why, as you state: "The studies of physics and mathematics are an extension of the human mind and its consciousness."

You ask: "Should we ever expect to understand the nature in its entirety? Let us assume that a complete explanation of all the processes in this universe exists."

My essay attempts to define the ultimate limits of understanding based on a model of consciousness. I hope that you enjoy my essay as much as I enjoyed yours.

Edwin Eugene Klingman

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Dear Gagandeep Singh Bhatia,

I applaud your first sentence of “All…physics is…human thought.” I very much liked your essay because I have been thinking along those same lines for many years now.

In this regard, recently the greatest breakthrough of physics is the overwhelming evidence that proteins build and operate the human brain from egg and sperm to grave. (If you have a problem...

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Dear Gagandeep Singh Bhatia,

I applaud your first sentence of “All…physics is…human thought.” I very much liked your essay because I have been thinking along those same lines for many years now.

In this regard, recently the greatest breakthrough of physics is the overwhelming evidence that proteins build and operate the human brain from egg and sperm to grave. (If you have a problem here please see section 2, paragraph 2, page 2, of my essay.) This is exceedingly important; reasons include. 1) As atomic systems, proteins follow the laws of quantum mechanics. That means we physicists and engineers are biologists by default. 2a) Protein behavior directly connects physics with “human thought.” 2b) Thought can now be directly connected to the behaviors of the elements of the periodic table and their eigenstates. 3) Proteins of the brain’s sensorium are the quantum observers in the sense of the Copenhagen interpretation. 4) This makes physics here and now, upfront and personal. 5) Proteins overcome chaos and entropy.

Did you know that the human body’s proteins manufacture over 200 kilometers of DNA per second per person? The fact that protein organizations overcome entropy and chaos to that degree is significant. It begs the question, are organized systems a subset of entropic systems or are entropic systems a subset of organized systems? In other words, is the universe’s fundamental operating system chaotic or is it fundamentally organized. Which does spectroscopy show atomic systems as? What do you think?

I look forward to hearing from you.

Sincerely,

George Schoenfelder

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Dear Gagandeep Singh Bhatia,

I have always thought that the chaos was a human invention ,like some other imaginaries or human extrapolations without limits and walls of perception.

I see the chaos like a simple very short moment ,due to the relativity .

We see the chaos only in an instant foto in fact.

But what I find relevant and fundamental is the process where the...

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Dear Gagandeep Singh Bhatia,

I have always thought that the chaos was a human invention ,like some other imaginaries or human extrapolations without limits and walls of perception.

I see the chaos like a simple very short moment ,due to the relativity .

We see the chaos only in an instant foto in fact.

But what I find relevant and fundamental is the process where the chaos is seen,analyzed and perceived ,this process ,it ,is in balance of evolution .

On Earth the chaos is a reality due to our young age and bad habits,all that due to a difficult and sad past .

All goes to a harmony ,furthermore the natural balance is easier to implant than implant a short chaotic moment .

In all case the universal harmony will take always the reason of our universality ,in a concept and process of pure improvement towards ultim harmony .Fortunally moreover.

Let's take some examples of chaos ,the guns ,the explosions ,the catastrophes,let's take too an explosion on sun ,it's always a short instant where the energy ,the mass is bad used by humans ,thus our rule of catalyzer of the truth isn't a global reality.

The short instant is really a parameter of the chaos ,there the consciouness and the universal love becomes the main piece of the reponsability ,evidently .

In all case the harmony is fundamenatl ,and the chaos is always dedicated to disappear ,furthermore this chaos will decrease more we shall evolve ,more the mass will increase ,more our bad habits shall disappear and more others variables of the harmony .

Some human inventions(borders ,differences ,unconsciousness,weaponsand guns,monney,....) thus are dedicated to disappear in time and space evolution ,on the other side ,our fundamental laws continue and evolve and them are harmonious and universals.

Always they shall take the reason of the building ,this ultim equation and its aim .

Just a thought about hamony or chaos .

Best Regards

Steve

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Dear Gagandeep Singh Bhatia ,

Thank you for your compliment, "I tried to keep my essay open-ended so as to foster linking of ideas such as yours (as in 'consciousness field'). It is a thought-provoking idea." I believe that your approach is well taken and is to be recommended.

You state that: "A very important point that is hidden in your comment above is the distinction between...

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Dear Gagandeep Singh Bhatia ,

Thank you for your compliment, "I tried to keep my essay open-ended so as to foster linking of ideas such as yours (as in 'consciousness field'). It is a thought-provoking idea." I believe that your approach is well taken and is to be recommended.

You state that: "A very important point that is hidden in your comment above is the distinction between counting and measurement. Counting is a sub-set of measurement. Counting, being a discrete procedure, is based in natural numbers. It is the basis of quantization. Measurement, on the other hand, may be discrete or continuous, but usually made to be discrete by the limits of accuracy of our experimental systems."

I do not understand how measurement, a physical act, can be continuous. One can of course "abstract" an idea of continuous measurement, but I'm not sure why one would wish to do so, at least at the level of fundamental or foundational physics. All measurement is defacto discrete.

You say, "Hence measurement is based in the set of real numbers."

I can see how real numbers are useful, as when one wishes to move into statistical analysis of multiple measurements, but I do not believe that measurement, per se, is continuous. On the contrary, the most basic operator of our most basic theory, quantum field theory, is the Particle Number operator, that counts the number of particles by summing over the annihilation and creation of particles. Thus at the level of both real measurements and abstract measurements, we seem to be based on counting. Why would one insist that measurement is not based on integer multiples of the most smallest measurable unit?

Thank you for your consideration,

Edwin Eugene Klingman

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Dear Edwin Eugene Klingman,

Good to see your comment. I have always wanted a discussion on the relation between counting and measurement. Below is the reason that led me to initiate so -

Let me assume (unless a ToE is approved) that there is one physical property that cannot be quantized. Now say the property takes all values within a finite real range [a,b] for a system....

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Dear Edwin Eugene Klingman,

Good to see your comment. I have always wanted a discussion on the relation between counting and measurement. Below is the reason that led me to initiate so -

Let me assume (unless a ToE is approved) that there is one physical property that cannot be quantized. Now say the property takes all values within a finite real range [a,b] for a system. Irrespective of the scale or unit of measurement, or the size of the range, there will be uncountable values of the property, containing both rational and irrational(subset of real) number multiples of the chosen unit. These irrational values (or real) will always remain independent of the choices.

"Why would one insist that measurement is not based on integer multiples of the most smallest measurable unit?" because -

Measurement is discrete if a single value is concerned as we can always define a new scale to avoid irrational values. If we consider an entire continuous range above, we are bound to encounter irrational values, that cannot be expressed discretely as they have uncountable non-cyclic digits. This is where approximation/extrapolation play the practical role and equations/symbolism play the theoretical role.

I stated above "To clarify further, what I want to imply here is the type of physical quantities, and their measurements.". That 'continuous measurement' is an abstraction is true since it seems to be of no practical use yet.

Sincerely

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