Member A. Garrett Lisi wrote on Jun. 9, 2007 @ 16:51 GMT
There are very few moments in theoretical physics that qualify as... thrilling -- moments that send shivers of excitement down the spine and make the brain tingle. It's such an abstract pursuit, you wouldn't think the effects would be so visceral. The thoughts take years to accumulate, and are often disjoint and haphazardly organized. On a very rare occasion, a new insight brings a cascade of...
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There are very few moments in theoretical physics that qualify as... thrilling -- moments that send shivers of excitement down the spine and make the brain tingle. It's such an abstract pursuit, you wouldn't think the effects would be so visceral. The thoughts take years to accumulate, and are often disjoint and haphazardly organized. On a very rare occasion, a new insight brings a cascade of ideas together at once -- a chain reaction in the mind. It's very cool. Of course, the idea could still be wrong. And usually one needs to set about the hard work of trying to prove it wrong, before airing it in public. But, in this case, with a recent idea I think is significant, that work will likely take me a long time -- and I want to share the main idea now. So here it is:
If we take seriously the idea that fermions may be gauge theory ghosts, there is one gauge theory in particular that stands out: that of a principal E8-bundle. The
exceptional group of rank 8 is the largest of the exceptional Lie groups, and perhaps the richest in structure. Pirating an appendix from
Superstring Theory, the 248 dimensional Lie algebra of E8 is described as:
e8 = so(16) + S(16)
the special orthogonal group (with 120 elements) acting on the space of 128 dimensional chiral spinors. This is remarkable as it is, since it says there's a Lie algebra in which the Lie bracket of two elements gives one element acting on another as a Clifford algebra element, B, of so(16) acting from the left on a spinor, Psi, of so(16):
[ B, Psi ] = B Psi
There is also a lesser known, equivalent description of e8 that I read about in John Baez's
This Week's Finds:
e8 = so(8) + so(8) + (V(8) x V(8)) + (S(8) x S(8)) + (S(8) x S(8))
In this description, the 28 elements, H, of so(8) act from the left on three 64 element blocks, Psi1,Psi2,Psi3:
[ H, Psi123 ] = H Psi123
and the other 28 elements, G, of so(8) act on these from the right. Now, if we build a Yang-Mills theory with E8, and take the three blocks to be ghosts, the BRST extended connection:
A = H + G + Psi1 + Psi2 + Psi3
and its curvature,
F = d A + AA
= (dH+HH) + (dG+GG) + (dPsi1+HPsi1+Psi1G) + (dPsi2+HPsi2+Psi2G) + (dPsi3+HPsi3+Psi3G)
fits the standard model -- complete with three generations of fermions and gravity! This is mostly laid out in my
last paper. The gravitational connection, frame, Higgs multiplet, U(1), and SU(2) fit in H, while SU(3) and another piece of U(1) fit in G. And three generations of leptons and quarks fit in the Psi's, related by triality. This is a beautiful thing -- exactly what one would hope for in a TOE!
If it's true, it would explain a lot of complicated structures in the standard model in terms of a simple E8 Yang-Mills field: exactly what and why spinors are, why the particles get the charges they do, why there are three generations, and possibly why the masses are what they are. And there's very little wiggle room. It will have to be a real form of complex E8, since we need a non-compact gauge group for gravity. But there will be only a handful of ways to consider the E8 symmetry breaking to the standard model. After all, it's just a Yang-Mills theory, with no other fancy stuff flying around. It will either clearly work, or it clearly won't.
There is a lot of work to do. I haven't gotten exactly the right particle assignments down yet. And I don't know if someone's tried this before, since the literature is somewhat obfuscated by the use of E8 in heterotic string theory, which is quite different. (I doubt it's been done before though, since it relies on my crazy idea of replacing some gauge fields with fermionic ghosts.) I expect to be working on this for quite a while -- studying the structure of E8, which is quite beautiful, and many other aspects -- trying to see if the fermions will fit properly and the KM matrix pops out of it. It's not a completed theory, which is why I didn't write it up as a paper. But I think it's interesting and exciting enough to put here, for the enjoyment and puzzlement of others.
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FrankM replied on Feb. 4, 2011 @ 17:53 GMT
One of the Issues I have had with the many theoretical forms of the atom is the lack of "structures" that would support the various energy types we know that are produced within it. The complexity of the E8 structure appears to provide ample structural forms to provide the "energy loops" that have to exist to produce the various energy types. For those energy types that are known to emanate from the atom, electromagnetic and gravity, the structure has to provide for isotropic emission.
At the moment, it cannot be assumed that there are dedicated "energy structures" for each energy type, that is, some part of the energy loop for generating an electromagnetic emission is not shared by the energy loop that generates gravity. Based upon current accepted theories on these two energy types, electromagnetic and gravity, one might think that there would be separate energy loops; there seem to be no similarities.
Consider the size of the energy loop that has to exist, and the time it has to exist, to produce an electromagnetic output with a wavelength of 21.1 cm; that is a huge wavelength in comparison to the size of the atom. Perhaps a mathematician could determine just how many elements of the E8 matrix would be needed to produce an energy loop that will support the generation of the 21.1 cm wavelength. Keep in mind that a half or quarter wavelength "energy structure" can generate a full wavelength if the energy loop has the proper properties.
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Mark Stowe wrote on Nov. 20, 2007 @ 19:56 GMT
Is anything recursive/self referential in the mathematics of your theory?
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St?©phane Beauregard wrote on Nov. 21, 2007 @ 22:15 GMT
Are there any experiments that could be done in the near future that might test predictions of your theory? Or will the energies be out of reach for a long, long time, like they are for other grand theories of everything?
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Andrew Dayton, andrew@daytoncontracting.net wrote on Nov. 23, 2007 @ 01:07 GMT
Being only a humble carpenter, would this mean that since we know how weak, strong, e/m, and now gravitional forces are linked, can we now begin to learn to artifically manipulate a gravitational field?
Because we specialize in difficult and unusual builds, I thought it might be nice to offer my clientel anti-gravity sleeping quarters on earth or maybe a house that floats.
I apologize if this insults anyone, but I can't hang mentally with the bunch of you for long. Seriously though, can gravity now be manipulated?
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Matthew Fisher wrote on Nov. 23, 2007 @ 02:40 GMT
Are there any implications or unknown properties of Gravity or Magnetism that are implied by this theory? For that matter are there any other implications of this theory on other known laws or theories?
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Emile Lunardon wrote on Nov. 23, 2007 @ 22:16 GMT
Dear M Lisi,
Can your interpretation of the E8 group shed some light on the "Cosmic Galois Group" conjonctured by M P.Cartier(*) which acts as an universal group of symmetries on the coupling constants of renormalizable physical theories and which is expected to solve the problem of divergences in quantum field theory.
(*) A Mad Day's Work : From Grothendieck to Connes and Kontsevich. The evolution of concepts of space and symmetry.
Bull.Amer.Math.Soc. (N.S.) 38 (2001) ,no. 4 389-408
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Member A. Garrett Lisi wrote on Nov. 25, 2007 @ 06:54 GMT
Mark:
Is anything recursive/self referential in your question?
St?©phane:
It's still to early to say what they are, but the theory appears to be sufficiently restrictive that as it develops there will certainly be testable predictions, right or wrong.
Andrew:
We're still stuck with gravity -- just do the best you can with wood. Be creative.
Matthew:
The theory is built from the ground up to match what we know. If all goes well, it will continue to agree with what we know and predict some new things that we don't.
Emile:
I'm afraid I'm not familiar with that.
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Lois J. Wetzel wrote on Nov. 25, 2007 @ 17:38 GMT
As a long-time artist/meditator I applaud your method of study. It allowed you to spend a lot of time in altered states of consciousness (like surfing, snowboarding) so that you COULD come up with this kind of theory. Very clever of you, indeed.
If you (or anyone reading) are not a student of sacred geometry, you might want to check into the work of Ibrahim Karim, an Egyptian architect who is studying/teaching sacred geometry from the inner chambers of the Egyptian pyramidal tombs, and further developing the studies of the French Radiethesiests. There is some VERY interesting information there. Sacred geometry is apparently how spirit creates matter.
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Tommaso Bolognesi wrote on Nov. 25, 2007 @ 18:44 GMT
Your E8 theory shows that the smallest known bricks of matter and force fit a very beautiful (and complex) symmetry.
Up in the biosphere, symmetry in shape (or a flower, a runner, etc.) is not a free gift; it is achieved by an evolutionary process.
Is it at all conceivable that the E8-particles and their symmetry be the result, by emergence, of the evolutions of
an exceptionally simple (maybe deterministic, discrete, computational) system, in the spirit of, say, cellular automata?
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Bryan wrote on Nov. 26, 2007 @ 17:33 GMT
I may ask this question clumsily, but bear with me a moment. The symmetries of the particles extend to the forces themselves which govern them. Fusion (strong nuclear) is balanced by fission (weak nuclear) and they are, in some way, inverses of one another. Aristotle coined the word for "gravity" to describe the force which causes things to sink or fall and Newton picked it up. But Aristotle coined two words for opposing balanced forces: gravity and levity. There was some talk in the past decade about an antigravity fifth force in the universe, indetectable at micro scales, but readily apparent in the macrocosm -- Einstein's Fudge Factor, the force propelling the acceleration of expansion in the universe, etc. And the famous "inflationary universe" soon after the Big Bang signals its separation from the symmetry. Does E8 allow for a missing force? Are the 20 missing elements related in some way as a family? Or are they scattered through the matrix? What is your opinion on levity?
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Bryan wrote on Nov. 27, 2007 @ 06:29 GMT
PS: The fellow who asked about recursive or self-referential (Mark) was asking, I think, whether E8 has the nature of a fractal or if it is fractal geometry.
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Member A. Garrett Lisi wrote on Nov. 30, 2007 @ 02:26 GMT
Lois:
Wow, "altered states of consciousness"... here I thought I was just having fun. ;) Also, I do like geometry a great deal, but "sacred" seems too strong a word. It would be impossible (and arrogant) for me to say with certainty that ancient philosophers couldn't have obtained deep insights into the geometry of the universe through omphaloskepsis, but I prefer using math. If people are struck by the beauty of geometry, I would encourage them to use this as motivation to learn a bit of the related mathematics. Physics and math are the best magic I know -- most of the other kinds are fake.
Tommaso:
Yes, this is possible. I try to follow Occam's razor in these matters, but it's conceivable that there's a simple system for which E8 is an emergent symmetry. Though I'm going to spend more time working on the E8 Theory itself first, before I consider how it might emerge from something else.
Bryan:
Yes, I feel levity is very important in physics. (I think that's apparent from my paper title.) And if this E8 Theory turns out to be true about nature, it will include a few new particles, corresponding to new forces. But these are going to have to be sufficiently weak that they don't contradict the standard model, which very accurately describes the world on our human scale.
Bryan II:
If so, then the answer is no, E8 is a complicated (simple) Lie group, but not a fractal.
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Wizard Gynoid replied on Jun. 2, 2010 @ 11:05 GMT
Does the E8 have the nature of a fractal? Consider the quadrahedral symmetry axis. It looks like this:
A spiral fractal in the quadrahedral symmetry axis of the E8 Polytope
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mike wrote on Nov. 30, 2007 @ 03:22 GMT
To the extent human tropical water monkeys see randomness in events ... time is a ride exactly between quantum and astronomical. That would make self conscious life actually THE unifed field and quite a beautiful answer as well.
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Tommaso Bolognesi wrote on Nov. 30, 2007 @ 11:23 GMT
Occam's razor is one of my favorite tools too (maybe not for posts, though...). After your november 2007 paper, precisely two distinguished concepts are filed in my mind under 'particles' + 'beauty': one is the system of roots for the 248 symmetries of the E8 manifold; the other is Wolfram's elementary cellular automaton 110, with its amazing interacting particles emerging from basically any initial condition, including the simplest.
While it is clear that the universe can't be a cellular automaton, one can expect a lot of beautiful things to emerge when trying to transpose the simple ideas behind them -- and the computational-universe view -- to the discrete, graph-like structures considered in LQG (spin networks, foams, knots, braids...), or just to plain, finite trivalent graphs, as suggested by Wolfram himself.
That's what I am after, and although I well understand that your priority is still on the internals of the E8-Theory, I wonder whether you'd have at hand a 'natural' candidate for a sequence of increasingly complex symmetries X1, X2, ..., Xn, with Xn = E8, so that research and experimentation on emergence in graphs could be more realistically directed towards cracking X1 first.
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TG wrote on Nov. 30, 2007 @ 21:30 GMT
A piece of the answer hides in the Coral Castle. See you in the water sone day.TG. http://www.coralcastle.com/9tonbig.htm
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Tom Greenhaw wrote on Dec. 2, 2007 @ 21:01 GMT
Looks like I'm going to have to go back to math school for a few years to anwer my own questions about how your idea affects cosmology. In the meantime...
Have you considered that some of the unnasigned points on E8 could apply to "dark matter"? Does your idea rule out dark matter or make it easier to know how and what to look for?
As an alternative to dark matter, does your idea show that the effect of gravity is not perfectly linear in its relation to space?
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anna wrote on Dec. 3, 2007 @ 14:18 GMT
it's imazing now to look at the 12th century cathedral's roses (copies of Solomon temple probably)?
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Daniel P. Fitzpatrick wrote on Dec. 3, 2007 @ 20:39 GMT
Is it possible that quark spinors, emulating electron spinors in magnetism and sigma and pi chemical bonding, could be responsible for gravity and inertia?
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Phil wrote on Dec. 10, 2007 @ 18:34 GMT
Is this related to Star Trek Voyager's episode regarding the Omega Project, where there find the ultimate element? Seven says the element is symbolic of Perfection.
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Michael Cecil wrote on Dec. 11, 2007 @ 11:56 GMT
Just a few questions:
Would not a theory of *everything* have to say something about the consciousness that created it, or through which it emerged?
(I suggest that a theory of *everything* would have to be able to explain its own origin. This is not my idea. It was told to me by another searcher for Truth back in 1972.)
Inasmuch as science originates in self-reflection and the thought of the 'thinker', a true theory of *everything* would have to determine whether this is the only dimension of consciousness. (It isn't. There is also the chaotic Lorentz attractor form descriptive of "psychosis", as well as the "observing consciousness" which is capable of observing the 'movement' of self-reflection in the first place.) (The 'classical' consciousness originating in self-reflection and thought cannot observe this because it does not yet exist.)
Would not a rigid adherence to Occam's Razor result in the conclusion that there is neither a 'mind', nor a 'thinker', nor a 'self' but merely thoughts?
If this E-8 is, in fact, a theory of everything in the physical world, how could it be related (through metaphor, archetype, synchronicity etc.) to a complete description (based upon observation, not thought or self-reflection) of the full dimensions of human consciousness?
In other words, maybe E-8 is not a TOE but a crucial *half* of a theory of everything: a TOEBH or a theory of everything by half.
Michael Cecil
http://science-of-consciousness.blogspot.com/
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Eric Bremner wrote on Dec. 12, 2007 @ 17:47 GMT
"consciousness that created it, or through which it emerged?"
-Michael Cecil wrote on Dec. 11, 2007 @ 11:56 GMT
Not so much. If I were write down 2+2=4. that doesnt tell you anything about my consciousness. Nor does it tell you anything about its "inventors" consciousness. Of course 2, +, =, and 4, are all different theories, the most basic part of these theories were developed in multiple places without any intereference from outside forces. (Unless there was aliens! woooOOOoo!, but I'll put that theory on the dusty shelf where it belongs for now) Because the same theory was developed by multiple, and entirely different consciousness' it is impossible to say that the theory has anything to do with its inventor, the theory is of itself.
I think you are trying to say that there may be "bias" in the equation, which is a perfectly valid question. But some things simply "can't" have bias. But of course I can not tell you for sure about this quation, because I havn't read All of the original creators work. And to have an equasion work out, while biasing the numbers to your own "whim" is an accomplishment of its own accord.
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Michael Cecil wrote on Dec. 12, 2007 @ 20:23 GMT
Not so much. If I were write down 2+2=4. that doesnt tell you anything about my consciousness.
Eric Bremer wrote.
Of course it does. It tells me that the origin is the 'classical' consciousness originating in self-reflection and thought.
And, if I tell you that thought originates in fear and desire, that also tells you something about the consciousness that makes this observation: it is not the 'classical' consciousness, which is incapable of observing thought.
The bias I am referring to is the bias which requires the preservation of the 'classical' consciousness itself. Descartes, for example, postulated the thought of the 'thinker' in order to escape the psychosis described in the opening passages of Meditation II. Of course, it is necessary, in some sense, to preserve sanity; but, at the same time, the resultant view of reality is distorted by that motivation. It is not an objective view of reality.
The observations of the "observing consciousness", on the other hand, have nothing to do with fear or desire; and, for that reason, can provide an objective view of reality beyond the view of the 'classical' consciousness.
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Member A. Garrett Lisi wrote on Dec. 29, 2007 @ 19:25 GMT
mike:
We always see randomness in events, but I think self conscious life is a question, not an answer.
Tommaso:
Yes, this is a great way to proceed. And I think LQG is the best place to start if one is going to work up to a fully quantum description of the whole enchilada.
TG:
Amusing, but within the realm of coincidence.
Tom:
The theory isn't developed well enough yet to say anything definitive about dark matter.
anna:
Yes, the appeal of symmetry has spanned many centuries. It's interesting to consider to what degree this aesthetic appeal is grounded in the fundamental nature of the universe.
Daniel:
Sounds kinda weird.
Phil:
Shh! Don't give away my sources!
Michael:
For the paper's title, I used "Theory of Everything" in the technical sense of combining a description of general relativity and gauge symmetries as parts of a single, larger symmetry group. The theory has nothing to say about consciousness. If you want to build up from fundamental physics to an understanding of consciousness, that's a long hard path -- but a potentially worthwhile and successful one.
Eric:
Yep.
Michael:
You're correct that we're all biased. However, science works, so this is promising.
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Tom Greenhaw wrote on Jan. 16, 2008 @ 01:22 GMT
I've been looking at E8 and a couple other TOE mathematical models that imply unobserved dimensions. The thought occurred to me that what we percieve as a 2 dimensional timeline could potentially be a vector through multidimensional time.
While this concept can very neatly address the issue of missing dimensions, proving it experimentally is an interesting exercize.
Perhaps this idea may prove of some use to your work...
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bidou wrote on Jan. 16, 2008 @ 21:25 GMT
Yahou !!
Me, I found the exeptionnaly simple theory of nothing :
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Garett, What do you think about my theory ?
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Kotatsu@laposte.net wrote on Jan. 19, 2008 @ 08:21 GMT
Great Job Mr Lisi, this is a really logical theory. I hope you will soon be able to test this with the new CERN scientist toy. ;)
But... I started reading your AESTE and it seems you postulate the Higgs' boson exists. As the Higgs as been created to fill the holes in the standard theory and as far as I heard of, it's never been seen (maybe it will with the LHD but who knows...)don't you think it's going to bias (blow) the geometry if the actual gravity explanation is false.
I read another
Theory by Lafreniere that explains all the forces maybe it will help... or not. but both your theories seems valid, well Lafreniere is not a physician and is axplainations are far less mathematical but it sounds coherent too...even if is...hum writing style is... weird. just take a look if you have some time and let us know what you think of it.
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N. Tantilov wrote on Jan. 24, 2008 @ 14:59 GMT
Dear Dr. Lisi,
I'm sorry - I posted in the the wrong thread, which won't be replied to, so once more my question regarding TOEs:
Kurt G??dels Incompleteness Theorem ...
means *any* TOE will end up being a "TO almost E".
Guess this doesn't touch your present work at all, but in the long run you must have some sort of opinion about it ... ? Hope it's not too indiscreet to ask.
One more thing - I like your statements about a beautiful theory. The search for truth and the search for beauty are in a way related - the ancient Indian seers called the Ultimate Reality they found:
Satyam, Shivam, Sunderam - the True, the Good and the Beautiful.
- And pardon me for mentioning still one more thing - you have a nice way of using words. The titling of your paper, "Pieces of E8" ...
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Sava wrote on Jan. 31, 2008 @ 13:22 GMT
Can anybody translate this theory in Ukrainian,or russian?
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Matt J. wrote on Feb. 1, 2008 @ 03:26 GMT
Dr. Lisi-
I know you are a "surfer dude", but somehow, I think it is best to start off with a salutation more appropriate for someone who really has earned his PhD.
Anyway, on to the real topic: I see you say you have a lot of calculation to do. Have you found a Computer Algebra package suitable for it? Is Octave, Axiom or Sage suitable? As I read the descriptions of these packages, they sound somewhat promising, but they all seem to be missing something. GAP, for example, my old favorite, only handles Lie Algebras over fields of prime characteristic and small dimension or over GF(2). But if you want to know the Normalizer etc. of the Weyl group, that GAP can do -- if you tell it the Weyl group;)
Then again Atlas sounds promising too, though the only description of it I found on the Net is rather dated
(www.liegroups.org), and sparse in describing what else other than "Kazhdan-Lusztig-Vogan polynomials" it will compute. Somehow, "structure theory and admissible representations of real groups" still sounds too vague. And their "Spherical Unitary Explorer" works only for the Classical Groups.
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JKD wrote on Feb. 1, 2008 @ 11:21 GMT
Hi Lisi,
(Condensed matter physicist speaking :-)
The action in Eq. 3.8 involves an integral over a 4-manifold. I assume this is a Cartesian 3+1 space, is this correct?
So, how would you quantize the theory? Would you find the field modes and their conjugate momenta on this manifold and proceed in the usual way?
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Ford Prefect wrote on Feb. 28, 2008 @ 05:10 GMT
Dear Lisi,
How does this have anything to do with 42?
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Guglielmo P wrote on Mar. 3, 2008 @ 22:51 GMT
Hi,
As your theory is a gauge theory with all its apparatus, for it to make sense it should be renormalizable or even finite(what string theory are). I just run across your papers, but didn't took the time to read it, so I ask you:
Is your theory renormalizable ? (which is, as far as I can remember the main plague of quantum gravity and the reason to look at supersymmetry and string theory. Is it not so ?)
Thanks for you answer.
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Albert Soler wrote on Mar. 6, 2008 @ 06:07 GMT
What fun it's been reading about this new idea!
Just like I may never be able to play linebacker in a pro football game, I can still love the game as a spectator.
Being new to this game, there are so many *really* basic questions. I'll just ask one or two here:
- The dimension thing. Very confusing. (Except, strangely enough, for the vertices corresponding to elementary particles. Perhaps because it's such a neat idea (as in tidy): So, E8 is an 8-dimensional polytope. But has a 248-dimensional surface. To help me encapsulate this concept, how many dimensions would the surface of a 3-dimensional *dodecahedron* have? (Would that be 20 dimensions? Same as vertices?)
*A little homage to the late Gary Gygax.*
- So, we have an 8-dimensional polytope. A 248-dimensional surface. Where/how does 4-dimensional space-time fit into E8?
- Okay, three questions: So, it looks like this might describe all the fundamental particles in nature and all their possible interactions. But, does General Relativity naturally arise from the model? Can it explain why there are three spatial dimensions and only one time dimension? Or, why time is so different?
Really more than three questions. But hey, it's such a fascinating idea!
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alhdi konadeh replied on Apr. 12, 2011 @ 00:43 GMT
a 3D dodecahedron has a 2D surface.
But here, do we have we have an 8D polytope with a 248D surface? I don't understand.
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Kris Michael Krieger wrote on Mar. 8, 2008 @ 01:32 GMT
I'm a complete layman, not at all a amthematician, so I hope it's OK for me to post here with a very basic question, because I don't know where else to ask.
Is the rlationship between the E8 shape, and particles, in any way similar/parallel to the relationship between position on the Periodic Table, and characteristics of elements...? Similarly, would the "colored lines" connectivng the vertices relate to some sort of commonality and/or transition from the qualities of one particle, to those of adjoining particles? IOW, if one "line" is blue, and anotehr "red", do the colors represent different correspondences of qualities between the particles, where A could have X in common with B, but Y in common with other adjoining particle C...?
TIA, and thanks for your patience with my simple question...
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Ray wrote on Mar. 10, 2008 @ 18:42 GMT
Neat stuff, Dr. Lisi.
I am excited about progress with this theory so I won't hinder it by posing you self-indulgent questions. I trust understanding will filter down to me in time. You keep at it, and good luck!
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Nelson Ferreira Alves wrote on Mar. 21, 2008 @ 02:18 GMT
And if 'All' happened in the Bulk?
Big Bangs, big explosion's big 'everything', Branes colliding and so on...
In the out there Dark is just what we can yet see, if we ever seen...
We are happy to be in a small universal blt of stars...
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Member A. Garrett Lisi wrote on Mar. 25, 2008 @ 19:08 GMT
Tom:
A lot of people have considered multiple timelike dimensions -- it is a neat idea, but tends to run into problems by predicting tachyons.
bidou:
It lacks something.
David:
I'm more curious about his fanatical followers...
Kotatsu:
There are some theories that work without a Higgs, but they tend to be more complicated. It's a good bet that the...
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Tom:
A lot of people have considered multiple timelike dimensions -- it is a neat idea, but tends to run into problems by predicting tachyons.
bidou:
It lacks something.
David:
I'm more curious about his fanatical followers...
Kotatsu:
There are some theories that work without a Higgs, but they tend to be more complicated. It's a good bet that the Higgs will be seen in a few months at the LHC.
I'm afraid I don't have time to look at Lafreniere's stuff.
N. Tantilov:
I'm not sure that just because Gцdel's Incompleteness Theorem can be posed and proved within the universe that it is a fundamental part of its structure. I'm convinced that the universe can be described by mathematics, but not that it is mathematics -- though it's an interesting idea. Also, good to know you enjoy humor -- it sees us through the dark times.
Sava:
The mathematics should translate easily enough.
Matt:
"Dr. Surfer Dude" maybe? I've been using Mathematica a lot ( > 20 years!), and sometimes Maple. GAP looks very cool, and I may end up using it. I think the Atlas website isn't particularly user friendly yet. Maybe all the attention will motivate some improvement, there and with my stuff too.
JKD:
Aren't we all condensed matter physicists? The base manifold is naked -- it's a four-manifold of arbitrary topology. It doesn't have a signature or metric -- these are part of the E8 fiber moving over it.
I like the path integral approach to quantization. But using canonical quantization in a flat spacetime approximation would be fine.
Ford:
What do you get when you multiply 4 by 2?
Guglielmo:
It should be accessible to some of the same tools as non-abelian quantum field theory. However, it's a lot messier since the spacetime frame is part of the fiber, and this spacetime can be curved. So the usual QFT methods probably won't give a fully consistent quantum E8 theory. I'm counting on using the methods being developed by the quantum gravity community to consistently quantize this theory.
Albert:
Being a linebacker isn't as much fun as it sounds... A twenty sided die lives in 3 dimensions, otherwise you'd never make your saving throws. The E8 Lie group is a 248 dimensional smooth surface -- there are 248 directions one could move in when on this surface. Each of these directions is a symmetry which can be plotted as a unique point in an abstract 8 dimensional space, giving the E8 polytope. (Does that make things clear?)
The four dimensional base spacetime, over which the E8 Lie group moves, must be assumed from the beginning. General relativity does come from considering how part of the E8 Lie group surface moves over our base spacetime. To get time, we have to assume a specific noncompact form of E8, and it's not clear why nature would make that choice.
Kris:
Yah, that's pretty close.
Ray:
Thanks. Coming up with good questions isn't a hinderance though -- it helps clarify this stuff for me and others.
Nelson:
Whoa, dude, cosmic... It is lunch time though, so I'm gonna make a small universal blt.
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Member A. Garrett Lisi wrote on Apr. 7, 2008 @ 18:03 GMT
Richard/Steve:
Nah, I'm sticking with 42.
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Dr. Ray Munroe wrote on Apr. 17, 2008 @ 15:31 GMT
Dear Dr. Garrett Lisi,
I recently published a book on “New Approaches Towards A Grand Unified Theory” and noticed some interesting similarities between your research paper “An Exceptionally Simple Theory of Everything” and my book – despite the fact that we approached the problem from very different perspectives, and I just read your paper (so it didn’t influence the ideas in my book).
Similarities – 1) Both approaches expect at least a minimal left-right symmetric weak force, 2) both approaches need 16 Higgs scalars (my book uses two complex Higgs scalar doublet fields, one of the complex doublets couples to the Standard Higgs vev of 246 Gev, and the other appears to couple to an energy scale of 20,000 TeV), 3) both approaches may explain the CKM and PMNS matrices (my book unifies and complicates these matrices), 4) both approaches contain SO(8) algebras that may not have been expected, 5) both approaches may explain the three generations of matter – your “triality” – although my book predicts a total of five generations that condense into three low-mass generations, and 6) both approaches derive their gravity representations from Clifford algebra (although they yield different conclusions).
Ultimately, I came to the conclusion that a 14-dimensional Supersymmetric SU(15) Lie Algebra may be the best effective theory (short of the over-kill “True” 26-dimensional theory), and that this theory can condense into a 10-dimensional SU(11) “Boson GUT”, an effective 8-dimensional SO(16) “Fermion GUT”, and a 4-dimensional SU(5) Supersymmetry. Within the framework of my book, your E8 representation may be a good effective theory in 8 dimensions, and with an order of 8 x 31 it is large enough to contain two SO(16)’s of order 8 x 15. It isn’t clear to me whether the 10-dimensional SU(11) “Boson GUT” is collapsing into an effective 8-dimensional SU(9) or whether it is being misrepresented by an 8-dimensional SO(16).
Most of my ideas on GUT Lie Algebras are in Chapter 7. The earlier parts of my book address grand unification from a thermodynamic perspective. And I have a few pages on the Creation –Design – Chance – Necessity Debate as it relates to the Anthropic Principle that might appeal to your “blog followers”.
I received my Ph.D. in Particle Physics from Florida State University in 1996 under Prof. Howie Baer, taught full-time until 1999, taught part-time until 2003, and I’ve been in the business world full-time since 1999.
Sincerely,
Dr. Ray Munroe
Tallahassee, FL
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Dr. Ray Munroe wrote on Apr. 27, 2008 @ 05:07 GMT
Hi Garrett,
Have you had an opportunity to read my book “New Approaches Towards A Grand Unified Theory” yet? I’m trying to resolve my ideas with your ideas with String Theory and with Supersymmetry.
My wife, daughter and I came to the beach this weekend. The Florida Gulf coast doesn’t have the waves that you’re used to, but it is relaxing. And suddenly, the answer hit me in the middle of the night.
The E8 group is based on the 5-simplex, the Hexateron (which has 30 nearest neighbors). I think that the natural extension to E8 would be based on the 6-simplex, the Heptapeton (which has 42 nearest neighbors), and this group would have an order of 430 (10 x 43), and a rank of 10. For lack of a proper name, can we call this E(10)? In my book, I related rank and dimension – thus, I expect this group to exist in 10 dimensions, which should delight the String Theorists. (Yippee!) With an order of (10 x 43), it is large enough to include my 10-dimensional SU(11) “Bosonic GUT” of order (10 x 12), and a 10-dimensional SO(21) “Fermionic GUT” of order (10 x 21), and 100 (10 x 10) of my Supersymmetry operators.
Although my book gives the background for these ideas, these are new extensions of my theory. I didn’t push fermions to the natural limit, and I was happy with two SO(16)’s of fermions, but the 21 charges of SO(21) arise from: SO(21) → SO(10) basic “Fermion GUT” + 7 subtypes of Hyperflavor + 2 New Generations (for a total of five fermion generations) + 2 new types of Leptoquarks (a, ψ). Now 21=10+7+2+2, and SO(21) has an order of 210 that reflects both the seven-fold symmetry of hyperflavor and the five-fold symmetry that we expect from five generations.
Regarding the 100 Supersymmetry operators, I had a supersymmetric SU(15) that decomposed into an SU(11) “Bosonic GUT” and an SU(5) of supersymmetric operators that related the spin quintet: (0,Ѕ,1,1Ѕ,2). SU(15) has an order of 224 and SU(11) has an order of 120. 224-120=104. Of these 104 supersymmetric operators, four are diagonal components that do not affect spin, whereas the other 100 components do affect spin. You thought you had GHOSTS in the machine, but you may have relic operators from Supersymmetry (and what I called Hyper-SUSY).
There it is! I’m only good for models – you are the Differential Geometry Master! Now go include Hyperflavor, WIMP-Gravity and Supersymmetry into an “Exceptionally Complicated” E(10) Theory of Everything, and RIDE THAT WAVE!
Ray Munroe
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Ann wrote on Jun. 11, 2008 @ 17:47 GMT
Dr. Lisi,
i'm really sorry to see that your blog has turned into a trash bin. why is someone approving all the garbage comments here?
i am a programmer with just a masters degree in math from UofMD,
but i have been reading all your dialogues in this blog with real scientists since you started to post, and have enjoyed these open science forum discussions. but i guess i'll have to stop since you don't seem to post anything of interest anymore. hope to see you resurface in some legit form again. i look forward to your future publications.
thanks for all the great ideas,
good luck with your research,
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Anonymous wrote on Jul. 26, 2008 @ 08:44 GMT
David Woods wrote on Aug. 23, 2008 @ 04:09 GMT
Amazing. Poet/Songwriter Leonard Cohen must have been thinking of all you guys when he wrote that wonderful refrain "Give Up Your Tiny Vision of Pain."
In all these erudite postings I find not a single bit of imaginative, broadly interdisciplinary speculation about the possibility that the GUT/TOE quest could have implications beyond the physical sciences. An explanation of how things began and will or will not end could, for example, be the Rosetta Stone ending centuries of conflict and bringing science and religion together.
Maybe that new accelerator tunnel in Berne should have a few resident researchers who are not scientists; say a poet, a priest and maybe even a peasant.
Most non-scientists at least once in a while read something scientific. I hope you all do the same with poetry or fiction. Google, for example, "Buffalo Snow Day" to get a comic but perhaps plausible look at how a broad approach to GUT/TOE fictionally transforms Buffalo, yes Buffalo, into an Athens for the 21st century. Or, read the attachment to this message, a six page excerpt of spirited GUT/TOE interaction between a fictional though reality based Nobel Laureate in Physics and his friend, a leading theologian.
God Speed!
attachments:
Excerpt_on_GUTTOE_from_B.S.Day.doc,
1_Excerpt_on_GUTTOE_from_B.S.Day.doc
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Mike wrote on Sep. 8, 2008 @ 21:28 GMT
Garrett ... I emailed you a couple of months ago regarding a strange coincidence I noticed
Most everything
in your paper here -
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0711/0711.0770v1.pdf
goe
s way over my head, however, I couldn't help noticing an
interesting geometric coincidence (maybe I am just attempting to
create a connection where one does not exist). The two geometric
representations on pages 19 and 20 are strikingly similar to that of
"Metatron's Cube" which is a figure containing all five platonic
solids and has some religious connotation. From wiki "The simplest
means of constructing Metatron's Cube is to begin with a cube
flattened along a space diagonal, such that it becomes a 2D figure,
equivalent to a regular hexagon divided via its own diagonals into six
equilateral triangles. The vertices of this 2D figure are then
connected with additional lines. Several steps later, the full
Metatron's Cube figure is formed. This method requires dividing
vertices according to the golden ratio. There is also a method of
construction from the Flower of Life. The cube resembles the fourth
dimensional analog of the cube, or the Tesseract."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metatron
About half-way down there is a figure on the left hand side of the
page (comparing this image to that on pg 19 and 20 of your ToE looks
eerily similar, at least from my perpsective).
Any insigh from anyone, or am I just crazy?
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Dr. Ray Munroe wrote on Sep. 10, 2008 @ 12:57 GMT
Dear Mike,
I don’t think you’re crazy, unless you mean “crazy like a fox”. The exceptional groups and the set of quasi-exceptional groups that I recently proposed are all VERY geometrical. The geometries implied by these exceptional groups seem to be as important as the group algebras themselves. These geometries may imply fundamental particle multiplets and the structure of hyperspace itself. The G2 group has the symmetries of the triangular group (and the tetrahedral rotational subgroup). The F4 group has the symmetries of the octahedral group. And the quasi-exceptional E6’ has the symmetries of the icosahedral group (and the tesseract). If you read my book “New Approaches Towards A Grand Unified Theory” (a free partial preview is available at www.Lulu.com – read pages 47-55 and 77-84), you will see that I partially addressed all three of these symmetries.
Metatron’s cube contains the triangular lattice (Star of David), the octahedron, and the icosahedron. Likewise, E8 contains the component symmetries of E6’, F4 and G2. Therefore, Metatron’s cube does seem relevant to these symmetries. Would you mind if I use Metatron’s cube in a future paper? My favorite quasi-exceptional group, E12 has even more complicated symmetries.
Personally, I think that Lisi’s Figure 4 on page 20 looks more like the triangular lattice of G2 (see Lisi’s Table 1 on page 5 – Lisi ignored the color-neutral leptons and gluinos g3~ and g8~ at the origin that complete the triangular lattice. My next paper in the Journal of Chaos, Solitons and Fractals “Symplectic Tiling, Hypercolour and Hyperflavor E12” will clarify this omission), and Lisi’s Figure 3 on page 19 looks similar to the octahedral symmetries of an F4 projected onto two dimensions. As such, neither of these figures looks exactly like Metatron’s cube, but both look like symmetries that are implied by that cube.
The fact that the golden ratio is involved in Metatron’s cube is also very interesting. For years, El Naschie has related the occurrence of the golden ratio in these sorts of problems to the fractal nature of Cantorian Spacetime, and an implication for the necessity of E-Infinity.
Thanks for the inspiration!
Sincerely, Ray Munroe
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Mike wrote on Sep. 10, 2008 @ 21:57 GMT
Ray,
Thank you for your reply, I was anxious for somebody, anybody, to tell me that I was not crazy - but was willing to accept crazy as well ha. Go ahead and use the cube in your paper, it's not like that's not public information. I'll have to check out your book.
By the very definition of 'sacred geometry' as seen here ... "According to this belief system, the basic patterns of...
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Ray,
Thank you for your reply, I was anxious for somebody, anybody, to tell me that I was not crazy - but was willing to accept crazy as well ha. Go ahead and use the cube in your paper, it's not like that's not public information. I'll have to check out your book.
By the very definition of 'sacred geometry' as seen here ... "According to this belief system, the basic patterns of existence are perceived as sacred because in contemplating them one is contemplating the origin of all things. By studying the nature of these forms and their relationship to each other, one may seek to gain insight into the scientific, philosophical, psychological, aesthetic and mystical laws of the universe." It would indeed make sense that this e-8 lattice be described as "beautiful." The "contemplating the origin of all things" bit really makes me wonder, because this geometric display truly would describe the nature of all things, which are really the confluence of forces described in the lattice.
Much of this reminds me a of a quote I once heard from an interview with Clifford Pickover
Pickover: Mathematics and mysticism have fascinated humanity since the dawn of civilization. Has humanity's long-term fascination with mathematics arisen because the universe is constructed from a mathematical fabric? Is God a mathematician? Certainly, the world, the universe, and nature can be reliably understood using mathematics. Nature is mathematics. In THE LOOM OF GOD, I take the position that nature is almost always describable by simple formulas not because we have invented mathematics to do so but because of some hidden mathematical aspect of nature itself. I do not know if God is a mathematician, but mathematics is the loom upon which God weaves the fabric of the universe.
I'm more of an agnostic, but can definitely understand where he is coming from here.
I would also check out the following perhaps for some more inspiration...
The "Fruit of Life" symbol is composed of 13 circles taken from the design of the Flower of Life. The Fruit of Life is said to be the blueprint of the universe, containing the basis for the design of every atom, molecular structure, life form, and everything in existence. It contains the geometric basis for the delineation of Metatron's Cube, which brings forth the platonic solids.
The Fruit of Life pattern contains the basis for the layout of Metatron's Cube. The Fruit of Life has thirteen circles. If each circle's centre is considered a "node", and each node is connected to each other node with a single line, a total of seventy-eight lines are created, forming a type of cube. Within this cube, many other shapes can be found, including two-dimensionally flattened versions of the five platonic solids. However, as can been seen by the illustrations below, the points of intersection in a flattened Dodecahedron don't conform to the nodes of the circles, and thus the shape doesn't conform to Metatron's cube as the other shapes do. This is because the Dodecahedron is formed by rotating the overall cube, which is a 3-dimensional object. By dividing the sides using the Golden Ratio, one can draw in the lines needed to form the Dodecahedron on the 2-dimensional cube.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flower_of_Life#Tree_of_Lif
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Dr. Ray Munroe wrote on Sep. 12, 2008 @ 13:19 GMT
Dear Mike,
I’m glad to help. You clearly put a lot of thought into your geometry and philosophy. Yes, I also read about the Fruit of Life and the Flower of Life.
Dear Garrett,
Your fans need you. You can teach them and learn from them. Come back or I will hijack your blog site.
The recent propaganda and slander against the Large Hadron Collider proves that we have failed to teach science in America. That disturbs me greatly as a former teacher (I love teaching, but gave it up for a higher-paying job – I still consider myself an ambassador of science). Too many American scientists seem to be “Elitists” – and I mean that in a bad way, not a good way. We (purposely?) talk over the heads of non-scientists – it sets us apart and empowers us.
Yes, America is a democracy, and we all have a right to our respective opinions; but to call the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) a “Big Bang” machine or a “Doomsday” machine is slanderously bad science and irresponsible news. People already fear that which they don’t fully understand. The LHC has a center-of-mass energy (up to 14 TeV) that is only several times greater than Fermilab’s Tevatron (nearly 2 TeV). We have observed cosmic ray impacts on the Earth’s atmosphere as powerful as 300,000,000 TeV. And, if a Theory of Everything (TOE) exists, it is on a scale of 10,000,000,000,000 to 10,000,000,000,000,000 TeV. We will never figure out if you (or me, or String Theorists, or many other scientists with grand theories) are right or wrong if we don’t push our experimental science to the highest safe and affordable threshold.
My only fear of the LHC is that it might not discover anything new. And though a null result might eliminate some theories in favor of others, it would also lead to the cancellation of the proposed International Linear Collider (a proposed electron-anti-electron supercollider that would be the “scalpel” with a clean signal-to-background ratio to complement the LHC “hammer” that is more powerful but full of background noise) and lead to the realization of Richard Thomas’ prediction that the LHC is a new “Tower (Tunnel?) of Babel”.
Your fans need you. You can teach them and learn from them. Come back or I will hijack your blog site.
Sincerely, Ray Munroe
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atomiton1@yahoo.com wrote on Feb. 22, 2009 @ 19:45 GMT
Lisi, I have a theory alot like yours, only it explains everything! I think it would be very nice if I were able to share my idea with you. Please email.
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Lois Wetzel wrote on Mar. 12, 2009 @ 14:19 GMT
Well, after my initial post in November of 2007 mentioning Sacred Geometry and altered states of consciousness I decided not to post again. Why? Dr. Lisi's dismissal of my words as irrelevant, referring to "magic" and saying geometry was probably not sacred (too strong a word) and referring to omphasoskepsis I just thought, hmmm... He is not getting what I am saying.
I see now that eventually a lot more people, about a year later, began discussing Sacred Geometry (Flower of Life, Metatron's Cube, etc.) and then Dr. Lisi dropped out of the equation.
Why?
Lois J. Wetzel
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K wrote on Mar. 13, 2009 @ 18:23 GMT
Why does he think that matter is made up of strings? If anything wouldn't matter be made up of some sort of spiral centripical force.
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Jason Wolfe/wulphstein@gmail.com wrote on Mar. 14, 2009 @ 20:23 GMT
Help! I'm looking for a string theorist who can shed light on superstrings.
I made the assumption that superstrings can be described as solutions to the Schrodinger equation. Schrodinger equations basically says that for some potential energy topography (like an infinite square well), if there is a particle in their, it's wave function will be a solution to the Schrodinger equation.
I thought that solution would provide the available states that a "superstring" can be in.
The problem is that, for the hydrogen atom, the electron particle wave amplitude takes the form of spheres and dumbells. But spheres and dumbells are not strings.
Where am I going wrong?
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Ray Munroe wrote on Mar. 18, 2009 @ 17:21 GMT
Dear Lois,
Metaron's cube is interesting, but these lattices, Lisi's E8 and my E12, are much more complicated.
Regarding "Sacred Geometry", I think it is a human characteristic to find significance in coincidences, regardless of that person's Spirituality or Religion.
In the Sciences, too much talk about Design relegates your ideas to the category of "Pseudoscience". This is part of why scientists are avoiding String Theory - because 10^500 parameters can be interpreted as Design, and therefore pseudoscience. On the contrary, I think that the number 10^500 is related to Dirac's Large Number of 10^40, and we need a large number of hidden variables to properly define the gravitational coupling constant.
Is that "pseudoscientific design", or the greatest of coincidences?
Sincerely, Ray Munroe
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Jason Wolfe/wulphstein@gmail.com wrote on Mar. 21, 2009 @ 18:26 GMT
If it we'ren't for sacred geometry, meditation, and the creativity of the crackpots/mystics/psychics (seers), humanity would still be swinging from the trees, dodging tigers and peeling bananas. I think that mystical experience inspires people to think outside of the box. It is the UFO enthusiasts and the psychic hotline people who disturb our rigid belief systems enough until someone decides to look more closely at it and discovers a new facet of Truth. We need these people; unless you like just hanging around eating bananas and dodging tigers.
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Steve Dufourny wrote on Mar. 24, 2009 @ 11:11 GMT
Hi dear Ray and dear Jason,
The Truth is everywhere in all things and with specific dynamics and laws.
The most important is to make some differences between ,matemathical extrapolations ,the physical reality and finally the universal entropy and the evolution building.
When we link the quantum dynamic and the cosmologial dynamic ,we can see this universal dynamic with pragmatism and spirituality ,we are not fate ,it's impossible .
Friendly
Steve
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Steven Kayser wrote on May. 15, 2009 @ 19:58 GMT
I am searching for Garret Lisi to discuss his theory.
stevenkayser@simplysurf.ca
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jr wrote on Jun. 2, 2009 @ 19:37 GMT
Garrett
does E8 shed any light on why space is three dimensional ?
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jr wrote on Jun. 4, 2009 @ 17:06 GMT
Garrett -
Baez says that E8 comes from OxO
but since O has 480 distinct multiplication tables
is there a separate one for each - or does it relate
different octonions ?
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re castel wrote on Oct. 10, 2009 @ 12:12 GMT
Garrett,
I am not adept at these very advanced maths - blame my aberrant schooling. I envy your skill in the advanced maths.
Now, I understand the idea of a "principal bundle" in terms of kinematic constructs, with each particle field represented by a resolved tensor vector, and thus the bundle would be a group of particle fields (with each field represented by a resolved tensor vector). And my understanding is that a "group dance" corresponds to the interactions of all the particle field tensors in the group. My understanding is that our knowledge of the particle field tensors that have already been 'measured' allows the prediction of the existence of unknown particles on account of the force/vector discrepancies in a given group.
My question is:
Do you see a hierarchy of the particle field tensors in terms of what pf tensors initiate the twists and what pf tensors dominate a given group? Or, do you arbitrarily assign what pf tensor initiates a twist?
To give you a little background of where I come from - I have been working on my version of the theory of kinematic relativity. And I believe I am thus far still just scratching at the surface of the theory of kinematic relativity. My theory of kinematic relativity describes motion transformations within a 3-d space 'dimension' and absolute duration transformation along a 1-d time 'dimension'. I use the idea of a kinematic continuum as the matrix of the physical transformations (i.e., the obervable phenomena), which is why I have the idea of kinematic (i.e., kinetic or motion) constructs examined using a pure 'vectorial analysis' approach instead of the prevalent (mixed-up) 'dimensional analysis' approach.
Both my logical language and my mathematical language can be considered unconventional. But I hope you won't mind so much.
Kind regards...
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re castel wrote on Oct. 10, 2009 @ 12:45 GMT
Garrett,
When I hear a reference to multiple 'dimensions' I understand it as a reference to multiple vectors of motion. Thus, to me a multi-dimensional object would be an object described using multiple motion vectors. I do not consider the time 'vector' a vector of motion; rather, I consider it as an independent vector of duration.
Again, kind regards.
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Geoffrey Dixon wrote on Oct. 31, 2009 @ 09:29 GMT
To jr
There are 480 renumberings of the octonion multiplication table. It's the same algebra for each renumbering. They're just symbols, an interface between the human mind and mathematics. I could use any collection of 8 symbols, or even let the symbols vary over time. Still the same algebra.
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Anonymous wrote on Jan. 5, 2010 @ 23:50 GMT
As I watched Einstein's Big Idea, a PBS film based on the Book E=mc2 by David Bodanis, I was stuck by the beauty of the universe and thankful for the sole constant in the world's most famous equation - God. The following are my reflections on Albert Einstein's greatest discovery.
Physicists and a host of other scientists understand and believe E=mc2 represents a blue print of creation and...
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As I watched Einstein's Big Idea, a PBS film based on the Book E=mc2 by David Bodanis, I was stuck by the beauty of the universe and thankful for the sole constant in the world's most famous equation - God. The following are my reflections on Albert Einstein's greatest discovery.
Physicists and a host of other scientists understand and believe E=mc2 represents a blue print of creation and the universe, which they suggest can be best explained by the Big Bang theory; however, my elementary understanding of E=mc2 takes me in a completely different direction. I'm thinking about God, so much so that I have stayed up most of the night writing this note. It is commonly understood both in and outside the field of physics that the c in Einstein's equation E=mc2 represents the speed of light. So, identifying the c in this equation as God should not appear strange or unfounded to individuals familiar with the Holy Bible. Jesus himself said, "I am the light of the world" (John 8:12), and 1 John 1:5 states, "God is light."
According to Einstein, nothing in the universe can move faster than the speed of light. He suggests that as an object approaches the speed of light its mass as well as the force needed to produce more acceleration increases to infinity. All this and Einstein predicts no object will ever reach the speed of light because of something physicists call the light barrier. In formulating and explaining his formula E=mc2, Einstein argued that light's speed never changes and everything in the universe works around this unalterable reality. He further argued that as objects approach the speed of light time actually slows down. In a similar fashion, the Holy bible reiterates again and again the idea that God is light and God does not change.
The enormous energy and light created from splitting atoms or crashing subatomic particles do not point to the primordial soup of a Big Bang theory, but rather, these scientific feats offer a very small glimpse into God's ultimate power over sin and death. Eternity, and therefore the absence of time, constitutes a reunification of God with the objects of his creation, which live in the darkness of sin. Scientists believe that objects can never reach the speed of light, but they are wrong. And I would argue their error stems from a lack of biblical knowledge.
Scientists call it the light barrier but christians call it the "sin barrier." Sin is what really separates the world and all contained herein from the light of God. To behold God in a sinful state means instant death for sin and God cannot coexist just as light and darkness cannot coexist. Exodus 33:20 says no man can see God's face and live and Hebrews 12:29 says that God is a consuming fire. Additionally, 2 Thessalonians 2:8 paints a cataclysmic picture of Jesus Christ's second coming to earth that reveals a wicked group of people who are destroyed "...with the brightness of his coming."
Many people believe the wages of sin is burning forever, but the bible says "the wages of sin is death" (Romans 6:23). Jesus said that "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. Whether people are willing to admit it or not, burning forever is eternal life - not a good life one could argue - but an eternal life none the less. This belief is contrary to what Jesus said. Those who do not have eternal life will not live out eternity in heaven or in hell because they will as Jesus said perish, which means to cease to exist. The opposite of eternal life is not an eternal life of burning, but eternal death and permanent separation from God. At Jesus' second coming all who believe will move with God at the speed of light through the our amazing Universe.
The Holy Bible says that eternity can only be obtained through a reunification with God, which comes through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. It's only through his sacrifice, not our good works or intentions, that a union with God can be reestablished, his creation transformed into his likeness, and the gift of eternal life granted.
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Steve Dufourny wrote on Jan. 8, 2010 @ 13:37 GMT
The ubiquity of the love information seems universal ......it is the truth ,the love .
Einstein has created a wonderful spiritual equation which show us the unity between all with the same maximum energy ,thus this equation in not finished in the calcul of the energy because all has the same quantity of energy .
A little if we say E=m c(exp ????),probably the maximum for the rotating stable main central sphere of the quantum architecture ,this gauge is relevant like the future finite universal spheres ,finished in the physicality and unified .This energy is thus like a future max mass and an actual energy in the fields of the quantum architecture,that implies a real spirituality in its whole ,universal and in evolution where the mass increases .
Regards
Steve
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gs wrote on Mar. 20, 2010 @ 08:03 GMT
can I have the multiplication table in computer readable form ?
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Rodney Bartlett wrote on Jan. 12, 2011 @ 13:23 GMT
Science Out Of The Straitjacket: Rethinking General Relativity, E=mc2 … and String Theory
I saw a video today (“Hidden Dimensions: Exploring Hyperspace” - http://www.worldsciencefestival.com/hidden-dimensions) in which it was stated that mathematicians are free to imagine anything while physicists work in a very different environment constrained by experiment, and that the American...
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Science Out Of The Straitjacket: Rethinking General Relativity, E=mc2 … and String Theory
I saw a video today (“Hidden Dimensions: Exploring Hyperspace” - http://www.worldsciencefestival.com/hidden-dimensions) in which it was stated that mathematicians are free to imagine anything while physicists work in a very different environment constrained by experiment, and that the American physicist Richard Feynman (1918-1988) said scientists work in a straitjacket. Well, Albert Einstein (1879-1955) said “Imagination is more important than knowledge” so let’s see what happens when we throw away everyday tradition and conformity, let our imaginations fly (while trying to stay grounded in science and technology), and thus release science from its straitjacket!
This essay has its beginnings in cellular automata (in mathematics and computer science, collections of cells on a grid that evolve through a number of discrete time steps according to a set of rules based on the states of neighbouring cells) and grew into a belief that the universe (electromagnetism, gravitation, space-time and, as we’ll see, 5th dimensional hyperspace) is not analog in nature but has a digital (electronic) foundation. This belief can be supported by 11 steps that begin with an experiment in electrical engineering at Yale University in the USA. These steps logically lead to assertions of instant intergalactic travel, time travel into the past as well as the future (neither of which can be altered), of unification of the large-scale universe with small-scale quantum particles, that the universe is a computer-generated hologram, that everyone who ever lived can have eternal life and health, that motion is an illusion caused by the rapid display of digitally generated "frames", that the entire universe is contained in (or unified with) every one of its particles, that the terms “computer-generated” and “computer” do not necessarily refer to an actual machine sending out binary digits or qubits, that we only possess a small degree of free will, that humanity could have created our universe and ourselves though unification physics says a being called God must nevertheless exist and likewise be Creator, and that Einstein's E=mc squared equation could be modified for the 21st century, reflecting the digital nature of reality.
Though these things may be unbelievable in 2011, we should not ignore the possibilities of their being true or of their showing that reality is indeed digital because they are the logical product of already demonstrated electrical engineering and trips into space, science is investigating time travel and unification, the notion of motion has been suspect to some ever since the ancient Greek philosopher Zeno of Elea (490?-420? B.C.) argued that motion is absurd, and many religions worldwide speak of God and have some concept of survival of bodily death.
1) In July 2009, electrical engineer Hong Tang and his team at Yale University in the USA demonstrated that, on silicon chip- and transistor- scales, light can attract and repel itself like electric charges/magnets (Discover magazine’s "Top 100 Stories of 2009 #83: Like Magnets, Light Can Attract and Repel Itself" by Stephen Ornes, from the January-February 2010 special issue; published online December 21, 2009). This is the “optical force”, a phenomenon that theorists first predicted in 2005 (this time delay is rather confusing since James Clerk Maxwell showed that light is an electromagnetic disturbance approx. 140 years ago). In the event of the universe having an underlying electronic foundation (hopefully, my summary will make it clear that this must be so – also … an electronic universe is a necessary precursor to scientific fulfilment of Star Trek's "magic" which becomes clear as these steps are read), it would be composed of "silicon chip- and transistor- scales” and the Optical Force would not be restricted to microscopic scales but could operate universally. Tang proposes that the optical force could be exploited in telecommunications. For example, switches based on the optical force could be used to speed up the routing of light signals in fibre-optic cables, and optical oscillators could improve cell phone signal processing.
2) If all forms of EM (electromagnetic) radiation can attract/repel, radio waves will also cause communication revolution e.g. with the Internet and mobile (cell) phones. I anticipate that there may be no more overexposure to ultraviolet or X-rays.
3) In agreement with the wave-particle duality of quantum mechanics, EM waves have particle-like properties (more noticeable at high frequencies) so cosmic rays (actually particles) are sometimes listed on the EM spectrum beyond its highest frequency of gamma rays.
4) If cosmic rays are made to repel, astronauts going to Mars or another star or galaxy would be safe from potentially deadly radiation.
5) And if all particles in the body can be made to attract or repel as necessary, doctors will have new ways of restoring patients to health.
6) From 1929 til his death in 1955, Einstein worked on his Unified Field Theory with the aim of uniting electromagnetism and gravitation. Future achievement of this means warps of space (gravity, according to General Relativity) between spaceships/stars could be attracted together, thereby eliminating distance. And "warp drive" would not only come to life in future science/technology ... it would be improved tremendously, almost beyond imagination. This reminds me of the 1994 proposal by Mexican physicist Miguel Alcubierre of a method of stretching space in a wave which would in theory cause the fabric of space ahead of a spacecraft to contract and the space behind it to expand. Therefore, the ship would be carried along in a warp bubble like a person being transported on an escalator, reaching its destination faster than a light beam restricted to travelling outside the warp bubble. There are no practical known methods to warp space – however, this extension of the Yale demonstration in electrical engineering may provide one.
7) Since Relativity says space and time can never exist separately, warps in space are actually warps in space-time. Eliminating distances in space also means “distances” between both future and past times are eliminated - and time travel becomes reality. This is “foreseen” by the Enterprise time-travelling back to 20th-century Earth in the 1986 movie "Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home" and by Star Trek's "subspace communications". Doing away with distances in space and time also opens the door to Star Trek-like teleportation. Teleportation wouldn’t involve reproducing the original and there would be no need to destroy the original body – we would “simply” be here one moment, and there the next (wherever and whenever our destination is).
8) Another step might be to think of "... the grand design of the universe, a single theory that explains everything" (words used by Stephen Hawking on the American version of Amazon, when promoting his latest book “The Grand Design” – coauthored with Leonard Mlodinow, Bantam Books, 2010) in a different way than physicists who are presently working on science's holy grail of unification. The universe’s underlying electronic foundation (which makes our cosmos into a partially-complete unification, similar to 2 objects which appear billions of years or billions of light-years apart on a huge computer screen actually being unified by the strings of ones and zeros making up the computer code which is all in one small place) would make our cosmos into physics’ holy grail of a complete unification if it enabled not only elimination of all distances in space and time, but also elimination of distance between (and including) the different sides of objects and particles. This last point requires the universe to not merely be a vast collection of the countless photons, electrons and other quantum particles within it; but to be a unified whole that has “particles” and “waves” built into its union of digital 1’s and 0’s (or its union of qubits – quantum binary digits). If we use the example of CGH (computer generated holography, which is reminiscent of the holographic simulation called the Holodeck in “Star Trek: The Next Generation”), these "particles" and "waves" could be elements produced by the interaction of electromagnetic and presently undiscovered gravitational waves, producing what we know as mass and forming what we know as space-time. Einstein predicted the existence of gravitational waves, and measurements on the Hulse-Taylor binary-star system resulted in Russell Hulse and Joe Taylor being awarded the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1993 for their work, which was the first indirect evidence for gravitational waves. The feedback of the past and future universes into the unified cosmos's electronic foundation would ensure that both past and future could not be altered. (Our brains and minds are part of this unification too, which must mean extrasensory perception and telekinetic independence from technology are possible.)
9) Elimination of diseased matter and/or eliminating the distance in time between a patient and recovery from any adverse medical condition – even death – would also be a valuable way of restoring health. With time travel in an electronic universe, people who have long since died could have their minds downloaded into clones of their bodies - a modification of ideas published by robotics/artificial intelligence pioneer Hans Moravec, inventor/futurist Ray Kurzweil and others - allowing them to “recover” from death (establishing colonies throughout space and time would prevent overpopulation).
If we think of the existence of the universe as frames in a movie, displaying the successive frames in an incredibly tiny and undetectable fraction of a second would produce what we call motion. This display requires computer power undreamt of today. Unification of the universe with each of the subatomic particles composing it (via its hyperspatial computer being united with every particle’s hyperspace computer) allows not just a single program resulting in our visible universe’s large-scale structures (galaxies, superclusters) but many programs that manifest as the many smaller-scale things made of quantum particles e.g. stars, planets, roses, people, atoms as well as temporally differentiated structures like other universes.
Another way of stating the previous sentence is: just as E=mc2 means energy must contain particles e.g. electromagnetic energy is composed of photons, E=m^1+0 (see #11) means a computer in the universe’s hyperspace which is projected onto space-time must also be contained in each particle’s hyperspace and projected onto the immaterial particle’s space-time i.e. the entire universe is contained in (or unified with) every one of its particles. This reminds me of something - American astronomer Carl Sagan (1934-1996) wrote these lines for his award-winning television series and accompanying book, “Cosmos”: “There is an idea – strange, haunting, evocative – one of the most exquisite conjectures in science or religion. It is entirely undemonstrated; it may never be proved. But it stirs the blood. There is, we are told, an infinite hierarchy of universes, so that an elementary particle, such as an electron, in our universe would, if penetrated, reveal itself to be an entire closed universe.”
E=m^1+0 also means, since energy equals mass, that the terms “computer-generated” and “computer” do not necessarily refer to an actual machine sending out the binary digits of 1 and 0 but could refer to binary digits that are sent forth by “telekinetic independence from technology” (see #8). Such telekinetic independence from technology wouldn’t even require conscious knowledge of any programming language because all languages are already contained in, or unified with, your brain. In fact, all technology (even from the distant future) would already be contained in, or unified with, your unconscious and might be manifested when the subconscious becomes uninhibited during sleep. So the universe might literally be a dream – be careful what you dream about when you go to sleep tonight or you might create the universe and yourself!
10) These paragraphs imply the possibility of humans time-travelling to the distant past and using electronics to create this particular subuniverse's computer-generated Big Bang (but there's still room for God because God would be a pantheistic union of the megauniverse's material and mental parts, forming a union with humans in a cosmic unification). We've seen several examples of how science fact could equal, or surpass, science fiction. A final example of surpassing is that, in Star Trek, there are many military conflicts with Klingons, Romulans, the Borg, etc. In a real-life cosmic unification, there are no wars between the stars but peace is normal - even on Earth - since nobody can attack anyone in any way without knowing they're attacking themself. The realisation that every person is contained in, or unified with, every other person would not only usher in worldwide peace but also paradise on Earth (via the global financial “crisis”). The worldwide economic crisis has the potential for many political benefits, since cooperation will be the only way to maintain and improve our living standard if monetary systems fail. The crisis would encourage domestic and international peace and sharing - perhaps even paradise on earth ...
The present global financial crisis may indicate that the world we live in today has lost stability and is on the brink of changing. Therefore, this "crisis" might be necessary to awaken us to the potential of tomorrow. Just because money has been making the world go round for thousands of years doesn't mean money will be the way of the world forever. We should start looking for an alternative system to preserve, and increase, standards of living now in case we need it tomorrow (I imagine politicians are the ones with the resources and organizational ability needed to implement such a system). This scheme should not use any form of monetary organisation nor be based on gold, silver etc. It should, idealistic and naive as it appears at first, be based on mutual cooperation and the goal of ushering in a paradise on earth. We can say there can never be paradise on earth; but the human instinct to survive is much stronger than our tendency for other types of self-interest, and greed, and to not cooperate with each other. If money ceases to be an option; most people will gladly cooperate with those we would have previously regarded as competition, or even as an enemy, if it's the only way to maintain and improve our living standard.
11) E=m ^ 1+0 IS E=mc2 FOR THE 21ST CENTURY
Does the simple modification of E=mc2 (E=mc ^ 2) to E=m exponent 1+0 (E=m ^ 1+0) extend Albert Einstein’s genius, which he claimed was not genius but intense curiosity and imagination, infinitely beyond the 20th century?
Removing E=m from both equations means c2 (to be precise, c ^ 2) = ^ 1+0
Multiplying each side by base n (any number) gives us
nc2 = n ^ 1+0 i.e. nc2 = n
Dividing both sides by n gives c2 = 1, therefore c also equals 1
Tradition says c is the speed of light. If c has the same value as c ^ 2 then the velocity of light in a vacuum must be a universal constant and since it cannot change, space-time has to warp: producing things like gravity, gravitational lenses, black holes and time travel.
Solving E=mc2 for mass (m) results in m=E/c ^ 2
Since c ^ 2 = ^ 1+0
m = E/^ 1+0
Multiplying each part of each element by base n: nm = nE/n ^ 1+0
nm = nE/n
m = E/1 = E
Therefore, the mass of the expanding universe can be thought of as pure energy.
If we interpret m=E (1m=1E) as meaning all the mass and energy in the universe forms a unit, we won’t be able to think of any of the masses and energies composing the universe as separate. Every planet, star, magnet, beam of light, etc. would be part of a unification comparable to a hologram (but a very special hologram, including all forms of electromagnetism as well as gravitational waves which give objects mass. In September 2008, renowned British astrophysicist Professor Stephen Hawking bet US$100 that the Large Hadron Collider would not find the Higgs boson, a theoretical particle supposed to explain how other particles acquire mass. Einstein predicted the existence of gravitational waves, and measurements on the Hulse-Taylor binary-star system resulted in Russell Hulse and Joe Taylor being awarded the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1993 for their work, which was the first indirect evidence for gravitational waves).
The seeming fact that particles can communicate instantly over billions of light years (are entangled - a process that appears to have operated in the entire universe forever) also seems to support the holographic principle and makes these lines relevant - another effect of the universe being a unification having zero separation is that experiments in quantum mechanics would show that subatomic particles instantly share information even if physically separated by many light years (experiments conducted since the 1980s repeatedly confirm this strange finding). This is explicable as 2 objects or particles only appearing to be 2 things in an objective, “out there” universe (Austrian physicist Wolfgang Pauli’s exclusion principle – which was discovered in 1925 and says 2 matter particles cannot have both the same position and the same velocity – only applies in an objective universe and therefore allows past and future versions of the universe to exist simultaneously with the present one … though programming in the “cosmic computer” does include it as applicable to the reality we perceive since that appears objective). They’d actually be 1 thing in a unified, “everything is everywhere and everywhen” universe. If the universe is a hologram with each part containing information about the whole, the instant sharing of information over many light-years loses its mystery.
Light can attract and repel itself like electric charges and magnets (according to Discover magazine’s "Top 100 Stories of 2009 #83: Like Magnets, Light Can Attract and Repel Itself" by Stephen Ornes, from the January-February 2010 special issue; published online December 21, 2009 - in July 2009, electrical engineer Hong Tang and his team at Yale University in the USA demonstrated that, on silicon chip- and transistor- scales, light can attract and repel itself like electric charges/magnets). Therefore, it must be true to say electrically charged particles and magnets can attract and repel like light (electric/magnetic attraction/repulsion would, similarly to light, occur only on microscopic scales if the universe did not have an electronic foundation in which it was composed of silicon chip- and transistor- scales: more will be said about this later). We have known for ages they attract/repel – but now we know they do it “like light”, can we extend this phenomenon from quantum mechanics’ wave-particle duality (in the case of electric charges and light) to universe-wide wave-particle duality (in the case of magnets and light)? If the magnets we can see and touch behave like light, is it not possible that every object in the universe (from a small magnet to an enormous planet or star) behaves like light – making the universe a hologram.
Since m=E, we can think of c as not merely representing the speed of light (energy) but as symbolic of mass and the speed of universal expansion (c=Hubble Constant or 299,792.458 kilometres per second = approx. 70 km/sec/megaparsec). What can it mean if c and c2 both equal 1 in the context of cosmic holographic expansion? Answering this is impossible unless we look back at the work of Albert Einstein. That work leads to the conclusion - if c has the same value as c ^ 2 then the velocity of light in a vacuum must be a universal constant and since it cannot change, space-time has to warp: producing things like gravity, gravitational lenses, black holes and time travel. Applied to cosmic holographic expansion, the conclusion is – if c has the same value as c ^ 2 then expansion (whether positive, zero or negative) obviously always exists and space-time’s warping produces the weird phenomena modern science proposes, like higher dimensions and hyperspace and time travel and parallel universes. Let's see where things lead if we assume c and c2 both equalling 1 means that the future universe, whose rate of expansion is the square of today’s, is existing at the same time as today’s – and if we think of present expansion as c2, that the present universe whose rate of expansion is the square of one in the past is unified with the past one. For a start, such an assumption would be consistent with "dark energy" causing expansion to accelerate.
We can, of course, write that c2 equals a number, any number (c2 = n)
Then c = square root n (n ^ Ѕ)
But c = 1
Therefore n ^ Ѕ = 1
n = 1 ^ 2
n = 1
n = c
and 1 = c ^ 2
n = c ^ 2
Since c and c2 both equal n, any past or future universe (whatever the rate of expansion, even if zero or negative) exists at the same time as ours. So a simple modification of Einstein’s E = mc ^ 2 to E = m ^ 1+0 implies that our holographic universe is generated and supported by binary digits (1's and 0's). Carl Sagan (who was an American astronomer, astrophysicist, cosmologist and author) said there is "... no centre to the expansion, no point of origin of the Big Bang, at least not in ordinary three-dimensional space." (p. 27 of "Pale Blue Dot" - Headline Book Publishing, 1995). Does this mean the Big Bang (or for our purposes, the binary 1's and 0's) would exist outside space-time in what we might call 5th dimensional hyperspace? The revised equation also says this universe is a unification, permitting time travel into both past and future (because any past or future universe exists at the same time as ours – a twist on the concept of parallel universes). Repeated experimental verification of Einstein’s Relativity theory confirms its statement that space and time can never exist separately but form what is known as space-time. So space, like time, must also be a unification whose separation can be reduced to zero. This suggests that intergalactic travel might oneday be completed extremely rapidly.
Let’s return to Relativity’s statement that space and time can never exist separately, therefore warps in space are actually warps in space-time: Eliminating distances in space also means “distances” between both future and past times are eliminated - and time travel becomes reality. Can anything more specific about the mechanics of time travel be stated here? If we get into a spaceship and eliminate the distance between us and a planet 700 light-years away, it'll not only be possible to arrive at the planet instantly but we'll instantly be transported 700 years into the future. On page 247 of "Physics of the Impossible" by physicist Michio Kaku (Penguin Books - 2009), it's stated "astronomers today believe that the total spin of the universe is zero". This is bad news for mathematician Kurt Godel, who in 1949 found from Einstein's equations that a spinning universe would be a time machine (p. 223 of "Physics of the Impossible"). Professor Hawking informs us that “all particles in the universe have a property called spin which is related to, but not identical with, the everyday concept of spin” (science is mystified by quantum spin which has mathematical similarities to familiar spin but it does not mean that particles actually rotate like little tops). Everyday spin might be identical to Godel’s hoped-for spinning universe. If the universe is a Mobius loop (a Mobius loop can be visualised as a strip of paper which is given a half-twist of 180 degrees before its ends are joined), the twisted nature of a Mobius strip or loop plus the fact that you have to travel around it twice to arrive at your starting point might substitute for the lack of overall spin. Then the cosmos could still function as a time machine. We've seen how it permits travel into the future. We can journey further and further into the future by going farther and farther around the Mobius Universe. We might travel many billions of years ahead - but when we've travelled around M.U. exactly twice, we'll find ourselves back at our start i.e. we were billions of years in the future … relative to that, we’re now billions of years in the past.
And according to Michio Kaku on p. 316 of "Physics of the Impossible" - Penguin Books, 2009 - "... the inverse-square law (of famous English scientist Isaac Newton [1642-1727]) says that the force between two particles is infinite if the distance of separation goes to zero". Space-time’s being a unification whose separation can be reduced to zero also suggests the existence of an infinitely powerful, and infinitely intelligent (since those particles could be brain particles), God. Since the distance of separation is zero, the universe must be unified with each of its constituent subatomic particles and those particles must follow the rules of fractal geometry being similarly composed of space and time and hyperspace. Unification of the cosmos with its particles is an insurmountable challenge to our bodily senses and their extensions, scientific instruments – as is existence of zero separation between us and a star’s gravity, heat etc. If we could see the universe exclusively with our minds, we'd see that these insurmountable challenges are indeed possible if we live in a non-materialistic holographic universe (combining gravitational with electromagnetic waves) controlled by the magic of computers.
Perhaps the atheists among my readers are thinking it can’t be denied that these paragraphs imply the possibility of humans from the distant future time-travelling to the distant past and using electronics to create this particular subuniverse's computer-generated Big Bang. Maybe any limits on trips to the future or past are overcome by travelling to other universes and linking their "eliminated distances" to those in this universe. This linkage requires all laws of physics etc. to be identical everywhere. In a so-called multiverse consisting of parallel universes where things have the potential to be slightly different in each universe, the link could be broken because we might find ourselves trying to force a square peg into a round hole.
An accomplishment such as this would be the supreme example of “backward causality” (effects influencing causes) promoted by Yakir Aharonov, John Cramer and others. However, recalling Isaac Newton’s inverse-square law and what it says about the force between two particles being infinite if the distance of separation goes to zero means there's still room for God because God would be a pantheistic union of the megauniverse's material and mental parts, forming a union with humans in a cosmic unification. Subuniverse? Megauniverse? What am I talking about?
A megauniverse is hinted at by Einsteinґs equations as well as cosmologyґs Steady-State theory, which say the universe has always existed and will continue forever. Einstein spoke of a "static" universe (which accurately describes a megauniverse that has no limits in space and has always existed/will continue forever), but he thought of this local branch as static, and rightly called it his greatest mistake since the local universe (our subuniverse) is now known to have had a beginning and to be expanding. Each subuniverse and its region of space-time is created from a big bang, but the megauniverse they belong to has no beginning and no end. And it maintains its average density through continuous "creation" (actually, recycling) of matter via the small amount from a preceding universe which is used to initiate expansion of its successor. This steady-state, or static, megauniverse would have its tendency to collapse (from, according to the viewpoint that only one time exists at any instant, ever-increasing gravitational attraction) always exactly balanced by, again from the viewpoint that all times cannot exist at once, the ever-increasing expansion of the universes it contains. The notion that contained universes that are forever expanding would somehow "burst" a static, steady-state megauniverse mistakenly assumes the megauniverse possesses a finite size; and it also reverts to our everyday experience that only one time exists at any instant (forgetting that all times exist and the megauniverse therefore accommodates not just some, but all, extents of expansion). Expanding subuniverses reminds me of the claim by cosmologists Paul J. Steinhardt and Neil Turok that the Big Bang which created our universe was triggered by a collision between our cosmic brane (or membrane) and a neighbouring one. The only essential difference between our hypotheses is that I believe collisions between neighbouring universes are the result, not the cause, of big bangs. We can regard the cosmic hologram and the megauniverse as examples of invariance (the quality of not changing) and the hologramґs relativistic property of appearing different from differing vantage points as represented by the expanding universes with their big bangs.
REFERENCES - Many of these are within the text. I would also refer readers to –
“DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY CONTENT?” By A. Einstein – 1905, in “Annalen der Physik”
“Paradoxes” by Zeno of Elea, Greek philosopher, lived 490?-430 B.C.
“A World Without Time: The Forgotten Legacy Of Godel And Einstein” by Palle Yourgrau – Basic Books, 2004
Miguel Alcubierre’s May 1994 paper "The Warp Drive: Hyper-fast travel within general relativity" (which appeared in the science journal Classical and Quantum Gravity)
"Never mind the Higgs boson" by http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2008/09/10/2361062.ht
m - 2009
"Mystery of the Ages" by Herbert W. Armstrong - Worldwide Church of God, 1985
"A Brief History of Time" by Stephen Hawking - Bantam Press, 1988
"Raymond Kurzweil" - Wikipedia, 2009
“A History of Western Philosophy” by Bertrand Russell - Simon and Schuster, 1945
"Second Life" - virtual world developed by Linden Lab that launched on June 23, 2003
“The Physics of Immortality” by Frank Tipler - Doubleday, 1994
“The Physics of Christianity” by Frank Tipler - Doubleday, 2007
"Did the Universe Just Happen?" by Robert Wright - The Atlantic Monthly, April 1988
"The Bible" - King James Version - 1956 edition
"Vedanta and Tantrism Philosophies of Hinduism (the religion originating in 1st millennium India)"
"Star Trek" - 5 series/11 movies - CBS/Paramount TV - 1966 to ?
ENDNOTES
The religious writer and broadcaster Herbert W. Armstrong (1892-1986) who would have phrased the union of humans with God as “God is reproducing himself through mankind” since he taught that the true message Jesus brought to the world was that mankind’s destiny is to become God.
Ancient Greek philosopher and politician Parmenides (c.515 BC-c.445 BC). Parmenides taught that the only true being is "the One" which is infinite, indivisible and the whole of it is present everywhere. He seems to have anticipated invention of the hologram (each piece of a hologram “is present everywhere” i.e. it stores information about the whole image).
The Greek philosopher and mathematician Pythagoras (580?-500 BC) who believed that numbers constitute the true nature of the universe. Combine Parmenides' belief in the One with the Pythagorean belief in number being the essence of the universe and you have the foundation of my conviction that the building blocks of the universe are a) digital (forming a cosmic computer) as well as b) computer-generated holograms.
Dutch philosopher Baruch (or Benedict) Spinoza (1632-1677) who said everything that exists, including individual men and women, is a part of God and is a tiny part of an all-inclusive pantheism. He also said thought and mind were attributes of God.
U.S. computer scientist and physicist Ed Fredkin who thinks that the universe is a computer.
Theodor Kaluza (1885-1954), the German mathematician and physicist who proposed that Einstein's dream of finding a unified theory of gravitation and electromagnetism might be realized if he worked his equations in five-dimensional space-time.
Oskar Klein (1894-1977), the Swedish theoretical physicist who published a quantum version of Kaluza's work.
Gerardus 't Hooft and Leonard Susskind, whose holographic principle (a property of quantum gravity and string theories which states that the description of a volume of space can be thought of as encoded on a boundary to the region) has led to the speculation “… that the entire universe can be seen as a two-dimensional information structure ‘painted’ on the cosmological horizon, such that the three dimensions we observe are only an effective description at macroscopic scales and at low energies. Cosmological holography has not been made mathematically precise, partly because the cosmological horizon has a finite area and grows with time.” (quoted section from Wikipedia)
British quantum physicist David Bohm (1917-1992) who asserted that the tangible reality of our everyday lives is really a kind of illusion, like a holographic image. Underlying it is a deeper order of existence, a vast and more primary level of reality that gives birth to all the objects and appearances of our physical world in much the same way that a piece of holographic film gives birth to a hologram. Stanford neurophysiologist Karl Pribram has also become persuaded by the holographic nature of reality. Bohm says our brains mathematically construct objective reality by interpreting frequencies that are ultimately projections from another dimension, a deeper order of existence that is beyond both space and time. (http://www.spaceandmotion.com/Physics-David-Bohm-Holographi
c-Universe.htm)
The cosmology of John Dobson, put forth in his 2008 book “The Moon Is New – Time Comes In With A Minus Sign” (Berbeo Publishing).
The books/ebooks of Rodney Bartlett
“Rod’s Room: A New Earth And A New Universe” – Xlibris, 2006
“A New Earth And A New Universe” – PublishAmerica, 2009
“Humans and their Universes” – CreateSpace, 2010
Some titles available at Amazon.com, Google.com, Free-ebooks.net
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Garrett replied on Oct. 16, 2011 @ 21:29 GMT
Hey Geoffrey,
Looks good -- I'd be interested to have a look at it. Would be especially good if you could email me a copy, as I try to avoid paper.
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Hi Garrett
I will ultimately (by year's end) put a link to a downloadable pdf version at http://www.7stones.com/Homepage/AlgebraSite/algebra0.html, but for the nonce I'm going to leave it as is. It's worth the cost for the cover alone (smiley face). Waste high here today - must suit up.
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